What Naomi Klein Found Down the Steve Bannon Rabbit Hole

On with Kara Swisher

New York Magazine

News Commentary, News, Society & Culture

4.2 • 2.2K Ratings

🗓️ 7 September 2023

⏱️ 60 minutes

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For years, Naomi Klein has had a problem: the author and Guardian columnist has been chronically confused with Naomi Wolf, a conspiracy theorist and favorite guest of Steve Bannon’s podcast. This is the premise of Klein’s new book, Doppelganger: A Trip Into the Mirror World, where she investigates how her dark twin fell down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole – and what that tells us about the lure of conspiratorial thinking and its dangerous use as a political strategy. Today, we talk to Klein about her journey deep into Steve Bannon’s podcast archive, anti-vaxx groups online, and more realms of what she calls “The Mirror World.” You can find Kara and Nayeema on Instagram/Threads @karaswisher and @nayeemaraza and Naomi Klein @naomiaklein. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:40.0	This is on with Cara Swisher and I'm Cara Swisher.
0:43.0	And I'm Neymaraza and today we are discussing doppelgangers.
0:47.0	Yeah, it's a German word, I mean double goer.
0:50.0	And it's often someone who is sort of often seen as the evil version of yourself.
0:56.0	It's not quite someone that looks like you or you twin, but it's someone who's part of your soul that maybe reflects other things about yourself.
1:03.0	It can look like you.
1:04.0	I actually came to learn of doppelgangers in the highly intellectual way of the TV series, Vampire Diaries.
1:11.0	Oh, okay.
1:12.0	All right.
1:13.0	Which is not.
1:14.0	There's someone who's like you, right?
1:15.0	Exactly. And Neymar Dobrov played her angelic self and also an evil self, which is a trip.
1:22.0	But we're not here to discuss that.
1:23.0	We're here to discuss Naomi Klein, who is the Canadian bestselling author and guardian columnist, who's known a lot for her work on climate and the Green New Deal.
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