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I hope everyone's having a nice long weekend.

Today, we're playing you an episode

where I talk about my long history covering Elon Musk

and when and why my perspective on him changed drastically.

Naima interviewed me about all this back in November

before Twitter was X

and back when Elon was in his hiring and blue check-changing frenzy.

But it still holds up very well, as you'll see.

Have a listen.

So, Kara, there is an avalanche of news coming out of Twitter right now,

and so what we'd like to do today is to pull back out of the news

and interview you

to help make sense of Elon because you've had this unique 20-year reporting relationship with Elon and

lots of long interviews with him over a decade. Yeah. I mean, I've known him for a long time. I actually,

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