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Moral Maze

What Makes Us Human?

Moral Maze

BBC

Religion & Spirituality, Society & Culture

4.4626 Ratings

🗓️ 18 June 2026

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

In his first encyclical, Magnifica Humanitas, Pope Leo XIV warned that artificial intelligence threatens the dignity of the human person.

Human exceptionalism - the belief that we are special, both within the animal kingdom and in the eyes of God - rests on a single distinction. We don't just think. We know that we're thinking. We have moral agency. Our religions tell us we have souls. That distinction is now under threat from two directions simultaneously.

Firstly, we have discovered that the creatures we share this planet with are vastly more capable than we thought. Animals we considered simple-minded - octopuses, bees, parrots, elephants - can plan, learn, teach and use tools. Some display altruism, grief, loyalty and shame.

Secondly, artificial intelligence and biotechnology are acquiring the characteristics we thought were uniquely ours. AI is developing personality, intentionality and self-awareness at a speed that has no historical precedent. The quantum computer, which Richard Feynman imagined less than half a century ago, is now being built. And in our laboratories, researchers are growing neuron networks and may soon create hybrid creatures combining animal instinct with human-like reasoning. Only our ethics stand in the way.

If the boundaries between human, animal and machine are dissolving from both directions, the question is no longer academic. What - if anything - makes us morally exceptional?

Chair: Michael Buerk Panel: Ash Sarkar, James Orr, Mona Siddiqui and Tim Stanley Witnesses: Steve Cooke, John Milbank, Nick Bostrom and Carmody Grey Producer: Dan Tierney Assistant producers: Peter Everett and Liberty Phelan Editor: Tim Pemberton.

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0:00.0

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0:07.5

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0:12.7

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0:17.9

I'm BBC correspondent, Mariana Spring.

0:20.2

And I'm investigative reporter Matt Shea.

0:22.0

Every week we look at the stories spilling out from our screens and into real life.

0:26.0

To work out what's actually real.

0:27.9

And what's not.

0:29.2

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0:30.4

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0:33.7

Good evening. Perhaps being human isn't such a big deal after all.

0:38.4

Our machines are already cleverer than us.

0:41.4

Quantum computers, for instance, promised to be thousands of times more capable than we are.

0:46.2

And the Pope is just the latest Cassandra to sound the alarm.

0:50.0

Artificial intelligence, he said in his first encyclical, must be disarmed before it ushered in a new era of what he called digital slavery.

0:58.9

The challenge is more than mechanical.

1:01.0

AI is fast developing personality, purpose, self-awareness even.

1:05.5

All we're left with that's distinctive, according to the Pope, is our moral conscience and not very reassuringly,

1:12.3

perhaps, our flaws and fragility.

1:15.6

Coincidentally, we're finding out that dumb animals aren't, dumb, that is.

1:19.7

Bees, parrots, elephants can plan, learn, teach, play, use tools without recourse to YouTube,

1:26.2

display altruism and shame. Octopuses, with their nine brains,

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