It's almost July 4th weekend in the US, the birthday of this country, which of course

got us here at Kenny Do that thinking about the nation's founding and the evolution of

its highest office.

The one we focus on most on this show, the American presidency.

We often ask ourselves questions like how will a president's performance be viewed in

the eyes of history and how your social and cultural moments affect the lens through

which we assess our former chief executives?

It turns out that the team of CSFAN also ponders questions like this.

And they've brought in more than 140 historians and presidential experts to help answer them.

This week, CSFAN released its fourth historian survey of presidential leadership.

The survey asks experts to rank the country's 44 former presidents on 10 leadership qualities,

things like public persuasion skills and moral authority.

This is the first year that the rankings include former president Donald Trump, and the findings

about him and other presidents are at times unexpected.

We'll dive into those results.

This is Kenny Do that, a podcast that explores the powers and limitations of American government

in a time of deep division.

I'm Allison Michaels.

My name is Amity Schles and I'm chairman of the Calvin Coolidge Presidential Foundation.

The Coolidge Foundation's mandate is to share knowledge about Coolidge's life and to

share knowledge about Coolidge's values.

Amity is also one of the survey advisors on CSFAN's historian survey of presidential leadership,

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