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Hey all, Joe here, and you are listening to Under the Influence.

The greatest scam of the last 20 years is that women were told if we just worked harder, leaned in more, woke up at 5 a.m., negotiated better, practiced enough gratitude, optimized ourselves hard enough, and girl bossed with enough intensity, equality and equity would

finally be ours. That didn't happen, did it? This week we're talking about why the entire

promise of girl power failed so many women. Not because our ambition was wrong or dangerous,

and not because women did anything wrong or dangerous, or because we failed, but because the systems around us just never actually changed to support us.

Stephanie O'Connell is back to talk more about her book, The Ambition Penalty, and this conversation moves us forward into all of the stuff that women are exhausted by right now.

We're talking about how the girl power, girl boss movement, did fail us, and also digging into

the impossible standards that women continue to face at work and why we're still constantly

penalized for the exact same behaviors that men get rewarded for.

We're talking tradwives, glass cliffs, Queen Bee Stereotypes. My favorite show, Fleabag,

just love any excuse to talk about Fleabag, the lies of meritocracy, and why so many women

still feel like they're drowning.

And yet, we're constantly being told that we should be grateful for what we have.

Stephanie O'Connell, I am so happy to have you back again,

to talk about something that I think about a lot as the mom of two girls.

Why did Girl Boss empowerment actually fail us?

Let me start with what I think the Girl Boss got right, because I don't think we spend enough time giving just a little credit where credit

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