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Get started at vanta.com slash calm. Hey all, Joe here, and you are listening to Under the Influence.

There is so much happening in the world and in politics right now that I personally know a lot of

people have decided to just emotionally log off. Like every day,

there's another headline that seems like it was written by The Onion. But it wasn't. It's very,

very real. And one of the reasons I bring this up on this show that is about social media and

influence is that modern politics is no longer about policy. It's about attention.

It's about who's controlling the narrative.

It's about influencers and reality television.

And frankly, who can command an audience better than anyone else?

And honestly, we say this a lot.

The right figure that out a very long time ago,

and the left is still playing ketchup-up, and they're not

doing it well. So today we are bringing back friend of the show, Emily Amick. As you all know,

Emily is a political strategist, a creator, and the author of the wonderful book, Democracy

and Retrograde. And every time she comes on, I feel like she helps us connect the dots between

internet culture, influencer culture, and what the hell is actually happening in American politics right now.

So today we are going to get into Trump's absolutely banana's new loyalty settlement fund, why the Mahama movement still matters, how and why the Democrats still fundamentally misunderstand the attention economy.

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