Hello from Milwaukee, I'm Chuck Todd, my guest, I'm Chuck Todd and this is the Chuck Todd Caff.

My guest today is Elaine Kmark.

She's a senior fellow at the Brookings Institute, author of books with

titles like Primary Politics and White Presidents Fail and How They Can Succeed Again.

And maybe you can tell by those titles that we're not going to be talking a lot about the

RNC though I will have something here in a minute on the President's former President's

Accepted Speech Thursday 9.

I recorded the K-Marc interview Thursday morning

before the final night of the RNC and President Trump's closing speech

or our interview took place before that. I'm recording this right now after the

speech, after the balloon drop. But I wanted to do that because you need to

understand that the interview with Elaine was sort of I would say at the beginning of what turned

into a pretty big day on the will Biden get out front and we're going to get

deep into that and all the rules and how this could work going into this virtual roll call vote if there even is one etc.

So we're going to get into that even talk about some running mates.

But before I get started, remember, stick around for another listener question, please remember to submit those questions that you might have to the Chuck

Tondcast at gmail.com, don't forget the the, and I will. to the

and I will answer one or more of your questions in a future episode

but before we get to the interview with Elaine, I want to give you my thoughts about the last night of the convention and the convention overall.

Well, going into this speech, I thought, and I believe this, I think that six weeks ago the idea that anybody was that anybody who was a Trump

skeptic was interested in hearing what Trump had to say.

I think there was very few people that were interested in a second look and in fact I think

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