What It Means to Be American
The David Frum Show
The Atlantic
4.6 • 2.4K Ratings
🗓️ 8 April 2026
⏱️ 59 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | The Atlantic has debuted a first of its kind collaboration with the Seaborne cruise line to bring great minds on board their luxury ships. |
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| 0:15.2 | Music Hello and welcome to the David Frum show. I'm David Frum, a staff writer at the Atlantic. |
| 0:33.2 | This week marks one year of the David Frum show. I'm so grateful to everyone who has watched and listened along the way. |
| 0:40.3 | To mark the occasion, I've invited my old friend, Farid Zakaria, to discuss with me what it means to be an American. |
| 0:46.9 | Both Farid and I were born citizens of other countries. |
| 0:49.7 | He of India, me of Canada. |
| 0:51.4 | And we're going to look back on our decision to join our fates to that |
| 0:55.0 | of the United States and how we feel about it all these years later. My book this week will be |
| 1:00.7 | Invisible Cities by Italo Calvino, a meditation on words and meanings that casts light on the |
| 1:07.0 | decline of literacy in modern American society. Before either the dialogue or the book, |
| 1:13.1 | some opening thoughts on the economic troubles gathering for the United States. President Trump's |
| 1:19.1 | second term has been economically troubled from the beginning. 2025 was upended by his |
| 1:25.2 | decision to impose high tariffs, and that crushed job creation in the United States, very little net new job creation in 2025. |
| 1:32.9 | But things are even worse in 26 with the president's decision to open a major war with Iran without apparently thinking through the implications of this war for oil prices. |
| 1:43.3 | Experts describe the largest supply shock to energy since the 1970s, maybe the largest of all |
| 1:50.0 | time. |
| 1:51.0 | And while this shock has only begun to be felt by Americans, more is coming. |
| 1:55.7 | It's like the president dropped a giant rock in a bowl of water, and it takes a little |
| 2:00.8 | bit of time for the impact of the rock to slosh the water out of the bowl. But everyone, I think, is aware that a shock is coming and they're bracing for. I want to put this shock in some kind of context. Over the 25 years, 1982 to 2007, a quarter century, I graduated from college in 1982. |
| 2:19.1 | So for the 25 years of my opening adult life, the American economy lived through a time of |
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