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🗓️ 10 November 2023
⏱️ 65 minutes
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0:00.0 | From New York Times opinion, this is the Ezra Klein Show. This week on the show we wanted to put a Palestinian narrative and |
0:27.3 | perspective on this moment and how we got to this moment on what is |
0:31.1 | happening here alongside an Israeli one. on the to that episode I really urge you to do so. And today we have Yasey |
0:43.6 | for an Israeli perspective, for a Zionist perspective. |
0:47.3 | Halavy is a senior fellow at the Shalom Hartman Institute in Jerusalem. |
0:51.8 | He's the author of among other books, |
0:54.0 | letters to my Palestinian neighbor. He's somebody who spent quite a lot of his life |
0:59.1 | trying to make the Israeli narrative understood to others, a narrative he feels and has lived very deeply. |
1:04.9 | He's somebody who believes that narratives that are contradictory, narratives that even oppose each |
1:11.0 | other will have to be held at the same time. |
1:13.2 | That reconciliation, if it ever comes, is not going to come because one story gets |
1:17.4 | judged true and the other false, but because both stories and the many more can be held at the same time respected |
1:25.3 | without asking one to triumph over all the others. At the same time I want to |
1:30.6 | recognize that this is not just a moment of stories. This is a moment when |
1:34.8 | real people have died and are dying when real people have been driven from |
1:39.1 | their homes when bombs are dropping. There was a real massacre in Israel, not just a story. There's a real |
1:45.7 | invasion of Gaza and something else I wanted to talk to Halevi about as somebody who's |
1:50.7 | covered quite a bit of Israeli security who has written a book on the Israeli military at one point or at least a story of the Israeli paratroopers |
1:57.4 | is how Israel is thinking about this moment and what it is trying to achieve in the invasion of Gaza. |
2:03.6 | What does it mean to destroy Hamas? |
2:05.0 | What if it cannot do that? |
2:06.1 | What is he acceptable cost? |
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