This is Scott Hahn, and I want to welcome you to The Road to Amas, a podcast from the St. Paul Center.

How can we overcome our current crisis of faith?

The same way we overcome our crisis of loneliness,

through friendship. At least that's what the early Christians would say. Learn more in Mike Aquilinas,

friendship and the fathers. Visit our show notes at St. Paul's Center.com, forward slash road,

to learn more. Hello, I'm Scott Hahn, and I want to welcome you to the Road to Amas, a podcast from the St. Paul Center.

Today, we're beginning our third season. We're also changing direction. Instead of simply

me alone with you, I'm going to be inviting friends of mine to join us for conversations.

And today I'm in the studio with my close friend and co-worker of many years, Rob Corzine.

Rob, welcome. So good to be here and so good to be talking about this,

which I think is really kind of close to the center of our mission. Around here we talk a lot

about reading scripture from the heart of the church. And the church itself talks about

the study of scripture as the soul of theology,

but as we know well, not as all well, either in the world of theology or in the world of

scripture study. And some of that has to do with the way that people read scripture.

Now, you've spoken and written a lot about this subject over the years,

including in your newest book, The Decline and Fall of Sacred Scripture, how the Bible became a

secular book. Now, that book tells a story about how some of the current difficulties came to

be, but I think a lot of people will find it helpful, even enlightening, if we just take

some time and have you clarify what the problem is and take us through some of the basic

distinctions that you make in the introduction of that book. And we often hear modern scholars

contrast what they do as academics with pre-critical or pre-scientific methods

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