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forward slash road to learn more. Welcome to the Road to Amayas, a podcast from the St Paul Center. And today I am with my good friend Rob

Corzine and we're going to have a conversation about the road to a

may as welcome Rob good to be here so the road to a may as on the road to a

may as and I'd really like you to maybe attack this from a slightly unusual angle.

And this represents what a lot of people would say is the best Bible study ever that didn't get completely written down but it's also a story about

conversions and you could you maybe unpack that for us. Yeah I'd be happy to you know when we hear the term conversion that

we'd be happy to you know when we hear the term conversion we usually think of the Damascus road that Saul was on and the conversion that

happened to him in acts 9 and acts 22 and acts 26 we have three records of it and that of course is the prototype of

conversion in the early church but that isn't necessarily the only kind there is.

And most people don't associate conversion with the experience that Clopis and his companion had

on the road to Emmaus meeting up with us a parent stranger,

but not only do I think it qualifies every bit as much as the Damascus road experience,

I'd like to provide some reasons why we ought to see this as

the normative model for our own lives.

That is ongoing conversion. The first thing to observe that I think is highly relevant is that

Clopis and his companion, and we don't know who he is, you know, or who she is.

It could have been his wife since in John 1925.

You have, you know, she's there at the foot of the cross

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