What is truth? Mack Stiles and Dan Barker with host Andy Kind

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Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

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🗓️ 2 February 2024

⏱️ 76 minutes

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Summary

Welcome to another thought-provoking episode of Premier Unbelievable! This week, brace yourselves for a captivating dialogue between two individuals with starkly divergent perspectives on Christianity, the existence of God, and the very essence of truth. On one side we have Mack Stiles — director of Messenger Ministries Inc, Podcaster and seasoned pastor and author of the intriguing new book, "The Truth About Lies: Why Jesus is More Relevant Than You Think." Sharing the virtual stage and returning to Unbelievable is the outspoken atheist, Dan Barker, who was a Christian pastor for many years before making headlines by announcing on Oprah Winfrey's show that he had "kicked the religion habit". Dan later co-founded the Freedom from Religion Foundation. Join our host, Andy Kind, as he navigates this riveting debate, delving into the profound questions surrounding truth, science, morality, the nature of God, and the complexities of the human condition. For Mack Stiles: follow Mack on X @MackStiles Mission Talks Podcas: https://www.9marks.org/tag/missions-talk/ Messenger Ministries: https://www.messengerministries.com/about For Dan Barker: follow Dan on X @danbarker Freedom from Religion: https://ffrf.org/about/staff-board/item/38960-dan-barker Related shows For Dan Barker and Martin Kuhrt discussing whether the God of the Bible is a capriciously malevolent, misogynistic, sadomasochistic bully: https://www.premierunbelievable.com/unbelievable/unbelievable-is-the-god-of-the-bible-a-capriciously-malevolent-misogynistic-sadomasochistic-bully-dan-barker-vs-martin-kuhrt/11653.article Find out more • Subscribe to the Unbelievable? podcast: https://pod.link/267142101 • More shows, free eBook & newsletter: https://premierunbelievable.com • For live events: http://www.unbelievable.live • For online learning: https://www.premierunbelievable.com/training • Support us in the USA: http://www.premierinsight.org/unbelievableshow • Support us in the rest of the world: https://www.premierunbelievable.com/donate

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0:00.0	Hello and
0:05.0	welcome to Unbelievable, the show that gets Christians and non-Christians talking to one another
0:10.0	about the matters that matter to all of us.
0:13.0	I am your host and dekind and we have a real treat for you today.
0:17.0	We are talking about truth and lies.
0:19.0	Delighted to welcome back an alumni of the unbelievable show Mr Dan Barker from the United States.
0:27.3	It's great to have you back Dan and joining Dan on today's episode, a newcomer newbie a green horn also from the United States
0:36.0	is Max Stiles author of the book The Truth About Lies. My guest today have not met before so this should be a real treat and very
0:45.0	exciting. They come from very different perspectives and backgrounds.
0:49.3	Max Stiles is the director of Messenger Ministries and was a pastor in Erbil, Iraq for many years.
0:55.8	Dan was also a pastor for many years and then decided to walk away from Christianity.
1:01.8	In a radio broadcast in 1984 when I was three he
1:05.8	announced he had kicked the religion habit. He is now co-founder of the Freedom
1:10.3	from Religion Foundation. You can catch up with Dan's previous appearances on the show by checking out the show notes.
1:17.4	Today we want to dig back into those naughty, gnarly questions that for many never seem to go away or get answered. So let's get going.
1:26.7	Thanks for being on the show with us. Thank you Andy.
1:29.6	Thanks Andy. Good to be here. Okay, well let's get, as we often do, some backstories, customary on the show.
1:37.4	So let's start with you, Mac, as the newcomer.
1:40.7	Can you give us your backstory, how you came to this place and also talk
1:45.6	about the reasons why you wrote your recent book? Sure, sure Andy I'm happy to do that. I grew up in sort of the south of the US where everybody's a Christian.
1:57.0	I didn't think much about faith. I went to church like everybody else, but it was a very liberal you know kind of you know nice
2:07.8	place but there's no clear commitment to the gospel or the truth of Christ. I wandered around in that for a
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