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The NPR Politics Podcast

What Is The Alien Enemies Act?

The NPR Politics Podcast

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Politics, Daily News, News

4.524.9K Ratings

🗓️ 17 March 2025

⏱️ 12 minutes

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Summary

The Trump administration used the 18th century law as justification for deporting hundreds of alleged gang members. Why was it invoked, and what does its use mean for future immigration action?

This episode: senior White House correspondent Tamara Keith, immigration policy reporter Ximena Bustillo, and senior national political correspondent Mara Liasson.

The podcast is produced by Bria Suggs & Kelli Wessinger and edited by Casey Morell. Our executive producer is Muthoni Muturi.

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0:00.0

Hi, this is Thatcher in San Diego, California.

0:03.4

I'm currently working to code my very own memory allocator in the C programming language for an assignment in my university class.

0:10.6

This podcast was recorded at 107 p.m. on Monday, March 17th, St. Patrick's Day.

0:16.9

Things may have changed by the time you hear this, but I'll still be working diligently to earn my degree from the University of California, San Diego. Here's the show.

0:28.9

Geez, impressive. I wish he could have translated what he said. Yeah, right. I was going to ask for a translation, too.

0:35.9

Hey there, it's the NPR Politics Podcast.

0:39.1

I'm Tamara Keith. I cover the White House.

0:41.1

I'm Kimana-Bustillo, and I cover immigration policy.

0:43.9

And I'm Mara Liason, senior national political correspondent.

0:47.0

And today on the show, we're going to look at the Alien Enemies Act.

0:51.4

That's the provision the White House invoked this weekend. When it deported

0:55.7

hundreds of people, it alleges to be Venezuelan gang members. They were flown to El Salvador.

1:01.4

Those deportations have been challenged in court. Hemena, give us the background here. What is this

1:08.4

authority that the president has invoked? So the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 is a

1:14.6

rarely used law that gives the president authority to detain or deport nationals of an enemy

1:21.8

nation, particularly during wartime. This is only the fourth time in American history. A president has used the act

1:29.5

and the first since World War II. The law requires war to be formally declared, which,

1:35.9

you know, Congress only really has the authority to do. And the president was asked about this

1:40.4

on Air Force One over the weekend. The reporter said, this has previously only been used at times

1:46.0

of war. Well, this is a time of war because Biden allowed millions of people, many of them,

1:52.7

criminals, many of them at the highest level. They emptied jails out, other nations,

1:58.5

emptied their jails into the United States. That's an invasion.

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