a flawed human being. Well, welcome to the world. I mean, that's by definition who we are.

We're fucking flawed. We're supposed to be. Welcome to the Ignited Recovery podcast, a new way forward

for anyone looking for answers but feeling left out. If you've been searching for empowerment,

triumph, and purpose, you've found them

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I'm Dr. Adjafi, and I can't wait to be your guide on this journey.

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Hello, everybody, and welcome to this episode of the Ignited Recovery Secrets podcast. My name is Dr D. Jaffe. I'm so happy to have you here with me today. I'm bringing you today a dear, dear friend, D.D. Stout. This moment has been instrumental in the harm reduction movement. She even wrote a book about it, which I love the title of this book, coming to harm reduction, kicking and

screaming. We're going to talk about some of the very non-traditional, unexpected ways in which

D.D. went from thinking about addiction the way most people think about it, the way she was told

to think about it, and more towards the side you've heard me talk about for many, many years

here now, and how she wasn't really looking for it.

She didn't even really want it. But then we get deeply into talking about families and the struggles

of individuals who are told it's a black or white world. She talks a lot about the work she's done

with individuals or herself and then some of the work that she's done in her own life

to change the way she is. I've loved Didi for a number of years now. We've known each other

through many, many meetings and interactions outside of the podcast. And so I always love

bringing dear friends to you. And when it comes to this, especially if you know somebody who

struggles with addiction or you struggle with it yourself, again, I want you to really just pay attention

and listen to the messaging about how there's a completely different way to think regarding

addiction. And once you shift to thinking that way about addiction, they're actually on a whole

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