What is free speech exactly? Can I Say That?
The Michele Tafoya Podcast
Salem Podcast Network
2.4 • 590 Ratings
🗓️ 2 October 2025
⏱️ 27 minutes
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Summary
Dr. Chloe Carmichael is the author of "Can I Say That? Why Free Speech Matters and How to Use it Fearlessly." In the wake of Jimmy Kimmel's suspension and Charlie Kirk's assassination, the First Amendment has been misrepresented, misunderstood, and used to score political points. Dr. Chloe sheds light on how free speech is alive and well — and must thrive — in America.
Michele Tafoya is a four-time Emmy award-winning sportscaster turned political and cultural commentator.
Record-setting, four-time Sports Emmy Award winner Michele Tafoya worked her final NBC Sunday Night Football game at Super Bowl LVI on February 13, 2022, her fifth Super Bowl. She retired from sportscasting the following day. In total, she covered 327 games — the most national primetime TV games (regular + postseason) for an NFL sideline reporter.
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| 0:00.0 | Another thing I talk about in the book is something called secondary gains of victimhood. |
| 0:04.4 | It's just another basic psychology term that a lot of people don't know about. |
| 0:08.5 | And the simple example in the book, it's in every psychology textbook, is that a little girl breaks her leg. |
| 0:14.6 | She gets excused from gym class. |
| 0:16.3 | Everybody signs her cash. |
| 0:17.3 | She feels great. |
| 0:18.5 | When it's time for the cast to come off, she means it when she |
| 0:22.4 | tells the doctor, no, no, no, it's not, it's not healed yet. I still need the cast. She's gotten |
| 0:28.2 | so attached to that victim role and the perks that come with it that she will literally believe |
| 0:36.1 | that she's a victim. Much less less we also see, of course, |
| 0:39.4 | cases of sophisticated, sophisticated adults that may even try to wield that, you know, |
| 0:44.6 | deliberately. But even if they're not trying to, there's a seductive quality of victimhood |
| 0:50.0 | because it can make people think, well, I don't have to work hard, I can just kick back |
| 0:54.1 | and nothing is my fault. |
| 0:55.6 | But of course, the good news is that the more personal responsibility that we do take, the better and better things can be. |
| 1:03.3 | And the more that we are real and authentic with people, the deeper and more meaningful our social support gets, |
| 1:09.3 | which can help us overcome that epidemic of loneliness. |
| 1:12.4 | So we want to be ourselves and make sure other people feel that they can be themselves, even if we disagree. |
| 1:33.4 | A lot is being said lately about free speech and the First Amendment and what it all means. |
| 1:36.4 | Well, our next guest explains a lot of this. |
| 1:40.8 | And she also talks about how free speech actually can help your mental health. |
| 1:46.0 | Dr. Chloe is a clinical psychologist, USA Today bestselling author, and fellow at the Independent Women's Forum. She's been featured on Fox News, Timcast, a bunch of places, The Daily Wire. |
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