Welcome to Questions from the Closet. I'm Ben Shalatti.

And I'm Charlie Bird. Each episode, we discuss a question we commonly get asked as LGBTQ

plus Saturday Saints. We're not trying to answer this question

or come to a consensus, but simply share our perspectives. Today's question is,

what is conversion therapy? Ben and I are not terribly diverse and we share many opinions

and life experiences. For example, we are both therapists.

However, not conversion therapists. No, I just want to make that like abundantly. Anyway, go ahead.

All right, we are not conversion therapists. However, there are some pretty big differences.

For example, I'm an actual therapist and Charlie's just an intern therapist.

Yep. I'm a lowly intern. Yeah, but also I'm not an actual therapist either.

But you're certified. So there are, so I have a master's in social work and so typically therapists

who have a degree in social work are LCSW's like licensed clinical social workers.

But you have to have 4,000 hours after graduation. I am what's known as a CSW,

so a certified social worker. So I pass my exams and I can work under someone else's license.

And I'm going to be a CSW in April or May. I guess whenever if I pass the test.

I hope I pass the test. It's really hard.

Was it really? Oh my gosh. It was one of the worst testing experiences ever.

No. Yeah, I swear. I feel like I'm pretty good at testing, so I wasn't worried about it.

Like, every other question I was like, all these answers are right.

And then I'd get to the next question like, these are all wrong.

And it was the most stressful thing I've ever done.

But you passed. Yeah, I passed well. Yeah.

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