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Hello and welcome to a special Saturday edition of Coffee Hours Shots.

I'm James Syff and I'm joined by Katie Bulls and Fraser Nelson.

And we have one topic of conversation this Saturday. Boris Johnson's legacy.

What is it? It's slightly speaking Fraser, but there is a kind of paradox about Boris Johnson,

which is he is going to be a relatively short-lived Prime Minister, but also a deep,

consequential one, because he was the Prime Minister who got Brexit done in inverted commas

and obviously handled the pandemic and I think also changed the nature of Tory electoral support

and the kind of coalition that the Tories appealed to. When you look back, how lasting and

permanent are the changes that you think Boris Johnson has brought about?

This is, as you say, James the great paradox. I mean, he only made it for our tune a bit years.

And yet his interventions in public life will have changed Britain more than

probably anything that David Cameron did, anything that Gordon Brown did, anything that John

Major really did. Insofar as Boris Johnson's intervention in the Brexit referendum campaign was

probably decisive and also Brexit was running into the ground. It might never have been done

under Theresa May. The deal she's going to do with the EU was not really Brexit at all,

but it looked, it really looked to all of us then at the time as if this was the best the

conservatives could really pull off. So only Boris Johnson emerged it was kind of revolutionary

character, this rule breaker, this maverick, who managed to break the log jam to get a clean

Brexit done to and also to vanquish Corbynism. We forget how Jeremy Corbyn was

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