Hi, Chris Valleton here. Welcome to my podcast, where I hope to inspire you to transform the world

within you and transform the world around you. I hope you enjoyed today's episode.

Hi, well, welcome to Cultural Calais, where we teach you how to live fully live,

co-labor with with God and change the world

I'm your host Chris Vallaton and I have my co-host see how I called you that my co-host banning leapsure

welcome banning leapsure again great to be great to be with you Chris I love our conversations

seriously I just it's I love I could sit down and just talk ministry, life, leadership, all of it.

We do that. You come to my house and, and I try to be a good listener.

Yes, yeah, well, yeah. But you talk all night.

Yeah, that's how it works.

This is actually what I love about podcasts is we have so many good conversations just around a kitchen table, around a dinner table, at late at night, that so many times I'm like, I just wish I could just let people kind of listen in, for me, especially as a young leader coming up, just sitting with these leaders and just hearing, just asking questions and getting input. I go, I just wish I could get other people to just listen in on this thing. It's what I love about this format, you know. Yeah, and I remember when I was young and Bill would have all these world changers, you know, Dick Mills, Dick Joyce, I verna Tompkins. I remember one time I asked her, Vernon Tompkins. Oh, I cannot believe you in your 20s or 30s. He's going to be on in a few minutes and he's in the audience. Why does the Bible say women shouldn't teach in or have authority in church and build, I just looked at her. Chris Vallett. Unbelievable. She was the one to ask, though. Oh, yeah. She was super gracious. I, Vernon Tompkins is one of the reasons why I'm preaching right now. She came through when I was a senior in high school multiple times. I would just listen to her tapes. But so Becky Johnson, who's on staff with us, I'm sending her YouTube sermons of Iverna. I'm saying you need to listen to Iverna. And's so hardcore I love everything about it so she was

somebody that could handle you oh yeah she was amazing it was bill who was like you know you know that

fatherly eye like where the Bible says God guides you with your eye yeah yeah it was kind of like

this kind of eye yeah like like but still being in those conversations don't ever do that you make that mistake once. I don't think I ever did anything like that again. You make that mistake once. No, no, I'm sure I did actually. Yeah, so we interviewed Gabe, a pastor. Yep. We interviewed Haley. Yep. We interviewed Dan. Yep. Who else to be in?

Richard. Richard, Gordon.

Yeah.

And what was your most insightful interview we've done so far?

Or maybe what's one of the most?

Well, I think with Dan, because Dan's a really dear friend, so I could just sit around and Dan and I can argue and wrestle and, you know, so even me going like, I don't know, you know,

the stuff we're talking about, I enjoy that. But Gayle and Richard, I absolutely adore. Gabe was so

fantastic. Yeah, he was. That pastoral give, Gabe's perspective. I really enjoyed the conversation

with Gabe. And Gabe's one of those guys. Gabe and I have known each other now for 30 years, as crazy as that is.

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