Balancing Supernatural Faith with Practical Wisdom || Cultural Catalysts

The Kris Vallotton Podcast

Kris Vallotton

Religion & Spirituality

4.8 • 2.6K Ratings

🗓️ 4 December 2025

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Summary

In this week's episode of Cultural Catalysts, Kris and Banning are joined by Richard Gordon, Bethel's brilliant Chief Technology Officer from South Africa. Richard shares his remarkable journey from engineering to ministry, and together they dive into one of the most challenging tensions leaders face: balancing supernatural faith with practical wisdom. Richard offers a profound insight that "if you build on miracles alone, you'll burn out, and if you build on wisdom alone, you'll dry out," revealing how grace allows us to carry both. The conversation explores how to navigate prophetic words that don't unfold as expected, the importance of accountability in leadership, and why true greatness often comes through pressure and refinement. Join us for this thought-provoking discussion that will challenge you to embrace both the miraculous and the strategic in your own leadership journey! Connect with Kris Vallotton: Website: https://www.krisvallotton.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/kvministries/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kvministries/ X: https://x.com/kvministries Additional Resources by Kris Vallotton: https://shop.bethel.com/collections/kris-vallotton About Kris Vallotton: Kris Vallotton is the Senior Associate Leader of Bethel Church, Redding, and is the Co-Founder of Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry (BSSM) and Spiritual Intelligence Institute. He is also the Founder and President of Moral Revolution and a sought-after international conference speaker. Kris and his wife, Kathy, have trained, developed, and pastored prophetic teams and supernatural schools all over the world.

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0:00.0	Hi, Chris Valleton here.
0:05.8	Welcome to my podcast, where I hope to inspire you to transform the world within you and transform the world around you.
0:12.4	I hope you enjoyed today's episode.
0:14.9	Hi, welcome to the cultural catalyst where we teach you how to live fully live, co-labor with God and change the world.
0:20.6	I'm your host, Chris Vallaton. And my co-host today, I got to call him co-hosts for now on. We saw this one. We tried to take over the show last week is Banning Leipshire from Jesus culture. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome. It's great to be with you, Chris. Thank you for having me as a co-host on your podcast. And what I learned from you about leadership is you take over. You take a charge. And so if you're going to invite me on the podcast, then this is now my podcast. This is, yeah, I'll see how that works. Taking the Promise Land. I have a, Chris, we have. We've been together a long time. You remind me my grandkids.
0:55.0	Like my granddaughter, when she was like eight years old, she stands out by my pool and she looks around.
1:00.8	She said, my dad said, when you die, he gets all this.
1:06.4	I tell our church often because I'm like, hey, if you have a problem with me, you got to go talk to Bill and Chris.
1:12.3	Because like I'm the old, like I am their fault. And so if you got a problem, you go talk to them.
1:18.1	Blame it on the bad.
1:19.3	Blame it on the,
1:20.2	blame it on the old man.
1:21.5	It is great.
1:22.4	It is great to be having a conversation today on the podcast,
1:25.4	and I have loved the conversations we've been having.
1:27.9	Yeah, we had a Dan on last week.
1:29.7	That was fun.
1:30.4	It was so good.
1:31.0	We got him. having a conversation today on the podcast, and I have loved the conversations we've been having.
1:27.9	Yeah, we had a Dan on last week. That was fun. It was so good. We got him straightened out, bro.
1:32.6	Yeah, Dan is. That theological thing on him.
1:35.4	Dan means a lot to me in my life. We fixed that. Yeah, but it has been really interesting here
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