Hi, Avery.

Hi. This is so fun.

It's so nice to have you on the pod.

Would you like to introduce yourself first for anyone who is living under a rock and doesn't know who you are? Oh, my name is Avery Treffleman.

I'm a podcaster, which is always like the most embarrassing title, but I don't really know what else to say.

I host a podcast

YouTuber is more embarrassing so okay touche tushay too shay everything's embarrassing what our

jobs but I make a podcast called articles of interest about fashion so I was doing a deep dive on

you as as one does and first of all you have a Wikipedia page which I'm really jealous of because I feel like when, you have a Wikipedia page, which I'm really jealous of,

because I feel like once you have a Wikipedia page, it's like you've been solidified as a human

in the historical canon. But you do have a pretty extensive history working in radio and

podcasts. And I found you through your articles of interest podcast, but I also

found out you were a producer for 99% invisible. You hosted the cuts podcast. How did you get started

with this medium? I loved radio. Like I was a radio person. Yeah, I just grew up listening to the radio all the time. And I'm a,

I'm a public media nepo baby. My parents met working at WNYC. Which is so funny. I was like, seeing all

the nepo baby discourse, I was like, okay, it me.

But I mean, they, they would tell me amazing stories about their time. Like they both worked at WNYC for like a decade, over a decade.

And they loved it.

I mean, they're like photographs of them with big 80s hair, wearing big 80s coats, like smoking

cigarettes, cutting audio with a knife.

And I was just like, that's so cool.

And it was really lucky because that meant not only did they love the radio and we grew up listening

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