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Hello and welcome to the Americano podcast, a series of discussions about American power, politics and society.

On each episode, I will talk to an American expert or an expert on America about something that's going on in America in 2023.

I am delighted to be joined by Michael Anton, who is a professor at Hillsdale

College and a former member of the National Security Council under President George W. Bush

and Donald Trump. And I'm delighted that he is here in London, because Michael, you've been

talking at the National Conservatism Conference

about Britain. This is called the Americano podcast, but your speech was about Britain's

grand strategy. But you were applying it to America, were you not? And you think that if I can try

and summarize it, and then you can say, I've got it wrong. But you were suggesting that America ought to learn from Britain's grand strategy,

as described by Winston Churchill, in the centuries leading up to the 20th century.

Yeah, so it was a couple things.

One of us, I quoted a passage from Churchill from a speech that he gave in 36

that he reprinted in the first volume of his six-volume history of the Second World War,

which is as much a history of the war as a personal memoir of being the leader of the,

not leader of the opposition, but in a way the kind of de facto leader of the opposition to appeasement in the 30s while he was in the wilderness and then obviously prime minister.

I'll just say as an aside that I know how cliched it is, that is to say, for Americans to come and quote Winston Churchill.

And I expect Brits get incredibly tired of that because you've been having people do it to you for now 75 years.

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