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Surface repaired to smoothness, nourishment with a regimen use versus non-conditioning shampoo. Welcome back, everybody, to Religion on the Mind, the show that focuses on the overlap of

psychology and religion and spirituality. I am your host, Dr. Dan Koch, licensed therapist,

and researcher in the psychology of religion. And my guest today is Matthew Burdette. He's an editor

at Penguin Random House, a writer, a theologian, and an Episcopal priest whose substack

theology of culture explores how Christian faith intersects with modern life. And I believe,

Matthew, that your initial theological work was focused on Black Liberation

theology, but it seems to me that your scope has widened out considerably while retaining

some of that influence. Is that fair to say? That is fair to say, yeah. Half my dissertation work

for my doctoral work was on Black Liberation

Theology. Okay. A solid half dissertation level of interest in this topic. That's like should be a unit. Half of a

dissertation. But I also want to say this just as people are kind of orienting themselves. If all you

hear is liberation theology and

Episcopal priest, you might think that Matthew is like far left. But I actually think in some

ways you are probably to my right and in some ways not. And that just makes me kind of more

intrigued and curious to see where we fall as we discuss some of these topics. So I'm looking

forward to that. And I just want to say give credit where it's due. I discovered your substack

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