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the CBS Island World. I'm John Dessu with Victor Davis Hanson, Professor, Classicists, Stanford University's Hoover Institution, the author of The Dying Citizen.

Victor wrote this book, as he says in a footnote, between 2018 and 2020, just as the pandemic

was striking and then he updated it as best he could in 21. We know a little

we know a deal more about the pandemic now. And Victor you are careful in your

epilogue to say as of 2021 the pandemic set back all of these

challenges the middle class borders certainly and leaning towards tribalism

certainly the unelected were empowered

during the pandemic. And then we come to the globalization, the

changing of the Constitution, the nullifying of pieces of the Constitution such as keeping public

order in cities during the troubles of the summer of 2020. I was in New York

that you're right next to Macy's I saw it I walked through it you

understand the disruption it was the pandemic that did this yes and then

the globalization today after the pandemic we We can't settle, we can say Wuhan and we don't have

everything. But Victor, how did the pandemic set the middle class back? Let's begin there.

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