So to start off the episode, Pam, I've got to revisit this from one of the masterminds

that I just had last night, and we got off on the thread of, should your spouse be your

best friend?

Okay.

So it's revisiting from way back.

An article, I actually wrote this article in 2011, and I know we've maybe touched on

it times throughout the shows, but it's worth the revisit because I think there's this

element of, but I just, they're my best friend.

And if I remember right, when you first wrote this article way back then, I just had the

hardest time with it.

Yep.

Do you remember what you had a hard time with, though?

Why can't it be my best friend?

Okay.

Why not?

Right?

We're in the same house all the time we love being together.

What's wrong with that?

What's wrong with calling your spouse your best friend?

Well, and that's an absolutely fair question, because I think that's what we all strive

for is what we all want, but I also don't think we understand the cost of, if we attain

that, because most of the time, this whole conversation is framed in the idea of exclusivity

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