Welcome to Questions from the Closet. I'm Ben Shalatti.

And I'm Charlie Bird. Each episode, we discuss the question we commonly get asked as LGBTQ

plus Latter-day Saints.

We're not trying to answer this question or come to consensus, but simply share in our

perspectives. Today's question is, what if I don't fit the stereotype?

Ben and I are not terribly diverse, and we share many opinions and life experiences.

For example, we've both dabbled in some modeling.

Dabbles are very loose word. However, there are some pretty big differences.

For example, Charlie loves it, and I hate it.

So that's true.

I really do.

Tell us about your modeling experience, Ben.

So there have been a couple of them.

Is this like a calendar shoot? Is this like sexy fireman, Ben?

It was like administrators would be why you calendar them?

No. No. That's definitely not a thing.

I'm sorry. That was a terrible joke.

No, I was going to be in a few newstuber articles, and they just sent out people to take pictures

of me, and they never got published.

And actually, the church was going to put me, they were going to publish an article I wrote,

and they sent out a photographer who took pictures of me at the temple, and then on campus,

and then with some friends. And then that never got published, but the church owns hundreds

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