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We Need To Talk with Paul C. Brunson

What Happens When You Get Famous Young

We Need To Talk with Paul C. Brunson

FlightStory

Relationships, Society & Culture, Leisure

4.71.2K Ratings

🗓️ 7 May 2026

⏱️ 22 minutes

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Summary

AJ McLean and Cody Simpson open up about the darker side of the music industry, from exploitation and manipulation behind the scenes to the personal fallout of becoming famous too young. AJ reflects on Lou Pearlman, the betrayal at the heart of the Backstreet Boys’ rise, and what it cost the band to break free, while Cody shares how early fame, unlimited access and pressure on a young brain pushed him into a period of partying, substance abuse and psychosis. Together, their stories reveal the real cost of fame when success comes before you’re ready for it. We're Talking The Cost of Fame This conversation includes discussion of addiction and mental health. We've included support charities below: MIND: https://g2ul0.app.link/gbuRaxjM3Nb Campaign Against Living Miserably (CALM): https://g2ul0.app.link/npaQKXUV4Wb (00:00) Intro (00:37) Lou Perlman’s Hold on the Backstreet Boys (02:50) The Real Dynamic Between the Backstreet Boys and *NSYNC (04:45) What Is Lou Perlman’s Legacy? (09:14) Cody Reflects on the Dark Side of Fame at a Young Age (16:42) Cody Opens Up About the Darkest Period of His Pop Career Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Welcome to We're Talking.

0:02.0

In this episode, A.J. McLean and Cody Simpson pull back the curtain on the darker side of the music industry,

0:08.0

where fame comes fast, but the consequences can last a lifetime.

0:13.0

Hey there, I just want to share a content warning.

0:25.5

This episode includes discussion of addiction.

0:28.6

If you or someone you know need support, we've included resources in the show notes.

0:33.9

Please take care while watching.

0:43.8

So the please take care while watching so the group though was found was it loo perorman loo was the what lou was the entrepreneur that put this whole thing together um there was a thing

0:49.6

that went around orlando back in the day called the blue sheet which was essentially the

0:53.7

classifieds for

0:55.6

entertainment. And I was perusing through the Blue Sheet one day and I saw this banner that said

1:01.9

local entrepreneur looking to put together a vocal harmony group, all a boys to men meets new kids

1:07.4

on the block. And I asked my mom and she's like, if you want to audition, sure.

1:13.1

A couple days later, I met, I met Lou auditioned at his house with my mom, signed on the spot.

1:20.4

On the spot?

1:21.0

On the spot.

1:22.2

And then that was the beginning of now 33 years for me.

1:26.4

So just on the business side, though, I mean mean you are, so you're 15, you said?

1:31.3

I was 14.

1:32.3

You're 14.

1:33.3

So you're 14.

1:34.3

Your mother hasn't been in the business.

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