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Halfus.com for details. Good morning. It's four minutes after 10 and you are listening to James

O'Brien on LBC. I hope you had a good weekend, obviously.

If you've got family in Israel, then it would have been one of the worst imaginable, I imagine.

And that's where we begin our conversation this morning.

I wish we didn't have to.

I can't lie.

I don't know what to say.

It doesn't happen to me very often.

But I don't know that there is a immediate parallel or precedent to be drawn here. I mentioned a moment ago that the thought, the simple thought of being in the middle of a rave, of being dancing away, and then to find yourself under fire, hundreds shot. Young people carted away, one woman on the back of a motorbike

screaming, please don't kill me. It is hard to imagine a more violent reversal of circumstance.

I know all terror attacks come from the same place, as it were, the determination to inflict terror,

not just to kill, but to terrorize.

They're two different but inextricable things.

And I know the violence of that reverse is crucial.

I think, I don't know why I found myself thinking of the Ariana Grande concert in Manchester quite a lot while reading some of the

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