What happened to shame in politics?
On Point with Meghna Chakrabarti
WBUR
4.3 • 3.9K Ratings
🗓️ 2 February 2026
⏱️ 37 minutes
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Shame is a powerful feeling that can keep behavior in check. So what happens when political leaders feel no shame at all?
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| 0:00.0 | Support for this podcast comes from Is Business Broken, a podcast from the Marotra Institute at BU Questrum School of Business. |
| 0:07.9 | A recent episode asks, are boardrooms ready for the new geopolitical reality? Stick around until the end of this podcast to preview the episode. |
| 0:18.1 | WBUR Podcasts, Boston. This is on point. |
| 0:23.6 | This is on point. |
| 0:27.7 | I'm Megna Chakra-Bardi. |
| 0:28.9 | In 1950, Wisconsin Republican Senator Joseph McCarthy grabbed the public's attention |
| 0:35.4 | with his allegations that hundreds of communists had infiltrated the State Department and other federal agencies. |
| 0:42.8 | By 1953, McCarthy had become chairman of the Senate Subcommittee on Investigations, where he shifted the committee's focus from investigating fraud and waste to hunting for communists. |
| 0:54.8 | He held scores of hearings and ruined thousands of lives. |
| 0:59.5 | By mid-1953, the panel's three Democrats resigned, |
| 1:03.6 | and Republican senators stopped attending because so many of McCarthy's hearings |
| 1:07.6 | were called on short notice or held away from Washington. |
| 1:11.8 | That left McCarthy and his chief counsel, Roy Cohn, to run the hearings largely by themselves. |
| 1:18.2 | And they were relentless and cruel to their witnesses. |
| 1:23.4 | Irvin Griswold, then dean of the Harvard Law School, described McCarthy as, quote, judge, jury, prosecutor, castigator, and press agent, all in one, end quote. |
| 1:35.3 | And by the way, as an aside, Roy Cohn later became a mob attorney and represented Donald Trump for years before he became president. |
| 1:46.9 | He said that he considered Trump to be his best friend. |
| 1:54.6 | Now, all of this serves as a critical backdrop to understand the events of June 9, 1954. |
| 2:03.2 | McCarthy had decided to take on the United States Army, claiming that there was lack security at a top-secret military facility. |
| 2:09.8 | What followed was a three-month televised event known as the Army McCarthy hearings. |
| 2:13.5 | The Army hired Boston lawyer Joseph Welch. |
| 2:19.6 | And on June 9th, McCarthy decided to attack a member of Welch's law firm. |
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