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On Point with Meghna Chakrabarti

Inside the AI surveillance state

On Point with Meghna Chakrabarti

WBUR

News, On Point, Daily, Npr, Talk Show

4.33.9K Ratings

🗓️ 3 February 2026

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

From your online browsing habits to traffic cameras on your commute, data about you is everywhere. And with AI, companies can gather, store and share detailed information about you faster than ever.

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0:00.0

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0:25.6

This is on point. I'm Megna Chakra-Bardi.

0:28.9

Who's the last person who took your picture?

0:32.9

Do you think it was a friend or a family member or maybe a selfie?

0:40.1

Well, if you're in your car right now,

0:47.3

the most recent picture taken of you is probably by a traffic camera on your commute. If you walked to a subway station or a bus stop, count how many doorbell cameras or closed circuit security cameras you pass on your way home.

0:57.8

You might be thinking, well, hey, nobody's looking for me, so who really cares if the cameras are always rolling?

1:04.5

Well, if you happen to live in one of many U.S. cities where AI-enabled cameras have been deployed, it doesn't really matter if someone is watching because something already is.

1:17.6

A few weeks ago, using a commercial search engine, I very easily found the administration interfaces for dozens of flock safety cameras.

1:33.3

I shared this information with 404 Media and with John Gaines' help, that number quickly grew to nearly 70. None of the data or video footage was encrypted. There was no username or password required.

1:38.3

These were all completely public-facing for the world to see, and some of them still are.

1:43.3

So that's Ben Jordan, a YouTuber and researcher who, as he said, partnered with the online

1:49.5

news outlet 404 media to expose major vulnerabilities in flock safety cameras.

1:56.6

Now, flock safety sells cameras, drones, and even more complex surveillance systems to law enforcement, schools, and other civic organizations.

2:05.5

Jordan says they found that at least 60 of flock's AI-enabled condor cameras around the country had been left completely open to the internet,

2:16.3

exposing live video feeds and administrative

2:19.3

controls that allowed literally anyone to view footage, download a month's worth of recordings,

2:26.3

and even access system settings and diagnostics. The Condor cameras use AI to identify humans

2:32.3

and follow their movements, and the footage is at a high

2:35.9

enough definition that you can see cracks in the sidewalk or a dent in a car, even the details

2:41.2

of pedestrians' outfits. Jordan calls it Netflix for stalkers. And in just a few minutes,

2:47.8

we're going to talk to Jason Kebler, a co-founder of 404 Media,

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