Sweden is held up as this fantastic example in the sort of global sphere of success, but

it's just not reflected in the sort of numbers or in the analysis.

No, and it's entirely ideological.

It's basically the people who are anti-lockdown, I'll say, even though I dislike the term,

because nobody ever defined what a lockdown is, and they seem to move it around, using it as an ideological example.

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local library, and follow us at Death Panel underscore. So today, I am joined by our guest, David

Stedson. David is one of the co-authors of a paper called Evaluation of Science Advice during the COVID-19

pandemic in Sweden.

David is from Australia, but has been living and working in Sweden for over two decades and

has a long career and broad background in epidemiology, public health, and technology.

David, welcome to the death panel.

It's great to have you here and thank you so much for making the time. Thank you so much for inviting me. Great to welcome to the death panel. It's great to have you here, and thank you so much

for making the time. Thank you so much for inviting me. Great to be here. So this paper is, first of all,

huge and is co-authored with seven other people, including, forgive me if I'm pronouncing her

name wrong, but it's nearly Rusillars of Karolinska Institute in Sweden. Can you tell listeners a little bit

about how this paper came about? I know it's been a long-term project, and you all wrote it

quite a while ago, which is, I guess, sort of the temporal nature of academic publishing, right?

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