All I'm saying is it some of your winners, but a lot of you are sinners, okay?

We're all sinners.

Okay.

So, honestly, it's going to be like a, this is like a wax philosophical sort of vibe a little bit.

Okay.

So this is cool.

You're really setting it up.

I'm getting a little bit.

No, you won't have to, I don't think you'll have to answer a lot of shit. But basically, right, Shelley's deal, she's been waxing philosophically about coffee career.

More specifically, how to remain and grow your career in coffee as your personal circumstances change, aka graduate, aka getting married, aka want to buy a house. A.k.a. I want to take care of extended

family. So the questions are a couple things, right? What outside education slash experiences would you

have taken in lieu of working in a cafe for a season when you physically or mentally emotionally

can't, question mark? Any certifications any certifications classes competitions do you think

would have been helpful along the way question mark what were choices you made along the way

that added essential knowledge or propelled you and then there's a second part but maybe we

could just start there wait yeah i know you like... It's better for reading. There they are.

I mean, here, I'm just going to go offhand.

I think we're in a different sort of world now. I honestly didn't feel like I had the...

And this is maybe just me.

I don't feel like I had the power or opportunity to try many things outside of my

scope at the time. Some of that was my own mindset and part of growth. And I probably am not alone.

And maybe that's why you're asking this, right? Is it just like you probably didn't feel or see as many opportunities as there are out there, right?

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