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Welcome to another episode of Surviving the Survivor.

It is the podcast that promises to bring you the very best guests in all of true crime.

And since this is our OG story, how to bring back the professor and Tim Jansen, just to kind of rehash what happened in court today, which was very quick.

And what we're expecting in court in two weeks. I believe it is February 26th.

If I have the date right, probably at 2.30 p.m. if I have the time right. And there you go.

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Patreon. So back with us, of course, famed Tallahassee, criminal defense attorney R, Timothy Jansen, the letter R-O-U-R, also a former federal or federal prosecutor, hard to say quickly.

And then you've got the professor Joe Petuto, Professor Emerita at the University of Nebraska School of Law, who knows a lot about the law since she's a law professor.

So Tim Jansen, I'm going to start with you. You were in court today. I mean, how long would you say that entire hearing lasted?

There are a million people in that

courtroom today, by the way, but how long was the Donna hearing? And how do you describe, I guess,

the attitude, the appearance of Josh Zellman and Jackie Fulford? Are they looking confident? Are they

looking worn out? Are they looking worn out?

Are they looking like they've been working on this case?

What's your take?

Well, it was a regular calendar call, case management.

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