Hey, it's Andrew Cleven. Welcome to this week's interview with Wendell Wallick, an internationally

recognized expert on the ethical and governance concerns posed by emerging technologies, particularly

the Artificial Intelligence and Neuroscience. I'll be telling you more about him in a minute.

But first, let me just talk to you about a little bit of a few of my concerns. One of my

favorite movies, as I've mentioned many times, is The Christmas Carol, the 1951 version

with Alistair Sim, which has the wit to take Dickens' story and place it very firmly in the

midst of the Industrial Revolution or aftermath of the Industrial Revolution. And there's

a line in it where the young Ebenezer Scrooge, before he becomes the old mean miser, ponders

to himself whether machines are in fact good for mankind. Looking back now that we have air

conditioning and refrigeration and all the wonderful things that have made us wealthier and made

life so much easier, almost seems like a ridiculous question. But going back, of course, to the

Industrial Revolution, people were destroying the machines, they were called Luddites, but they

were Luddites for a reason. These new technology changed life entirely. It ruined destroyed family

lives for some people. It made children put children into terrible labor conditions, and it took a

long time before that was straightened out. So lives can be destroyed in the moment, and good

things can come afterwards is very hard to make those decisions. And that's why we need people

who can see into the future. Wendell Wallick is a consultant and ethicist, a scholar at Yale

University's Interdisciplinary Center for Bioethics, where he chairs the Working Research

Group on Technology and Ethics. He's co-author of Moral Machines, teaching robots right

from wrong, which maps the new field, variously called Machine Ethics, Machine Morality, Computational

Morality, and Friendly AI. His latest book is a dangerous master, how to keep technology

from slipping beyond our control. Wendell Wallick, thank you so much for coming on.

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