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I Don't Have Enough FAITH to Be an ATHEIST

What Does the Bible REALLY Say About Homosexuality? with Dr. Robert Gagnon

I Don't Have Enough FAITH to Be an ATHEIST

Dr. Frank Turek

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity, Education

4.85K Ratings

🗓️ 9 January 2026

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

Can a biblical case be made to justify the practice of homosexuality? Does science support the narrative that people are "born gay"? And what did Jesus really teach about sexual ethics in light of the Old Testament? In this powerful episode, Frank is joined by Dr. Robert Gagnon, arguably the world’s leading scholarly authority on the topic, to tackle one of the most divisive moral issues of our time. Drawing from Dr. Gagnon’s landmark book, 'The Bible and Homosexual Practice', widely regarded as the standard work on the subject for over 25 years, they examine what Scripture and science reveal about the issue of homosexuality. Tune in as they answer questions like:* What was the initial response to Robert's book?* How does the Bible define love?* What's wrong with "loving" someone of the same sex?* What factors influence the likelihood that someone could be attracted to the same sex?* If homosexual practices are off limits because of Leviticus 18 what about eating shrimp?* What did Jesus say about Old Testament teachings on marriage, divorce, and sex?* Does loving someone require affirming all of their desires or behaviors?* How do same-sex unions compare to traditional marriage in terms of measurable harm and human flourishing?* Why does affirming homosexuality logically open the door to redefining all sexual morality?* Why was polygamy sometimes permitted in the Old Testament and is it still ok today?This episode kicks off the new year with a topic that many Christians avoid, but one we can’t afford to ignore as biblical morality continues to be challenged in the public square and the church. Don’t miss the next episode where Frank and Dr. Gagnon continue unpacking the cultural and theological consequences of redefining God’s design for sexuality.If you enjoyed this podcast episode PLEASE HELP US SPREAD THE TRUTH OF CHRISTIANITY BY SUPPORTING OUR MINISTRY USING THE LINK BELOW. 100% of your donation goes to ministry, 0% to buildings!Resources mentioned during the episode:Donate to CrossExamined - https://donor.crossexamined.org/ (https://donor.crossexamined.org/)The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermeneutics - https://a.co/d/3P03zPQ (https://a.co/d/3P03zPQ)Website - http://www.robgagnon.net/ (http://www.robgagnon.net/)Follow Dr. Gagnon on Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/robert.a.gagnon.56 (https://www.facebook.com/robert.a.gagnon.56)Follow Dr. Gagnon on X - https://x.com/RobertAJGagnon1 (https://x.com/RobertAJGagnon1)

Transcript

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0:00.0

Ladies and gentlemen, what if you picked up a book and the opening line to the book, the author

0:08.0

states this about writing the book? I ought to have my head examined. What was I thinking writing

0:14.2

this book? Because what we're going to talk about today is one of the most controversial issues

0:19.7

in modern American history, moral history,

0:22.5

that is. It is a book that goes into extreme detail on what the Bible says about homosexual

0:31.1

practice. In fact, the title of the book is the Bible and homosexual practice, text and hermeneutics. It's been around for about

0:39.9

25 years. It is the standard work on the topic because, as you know, ladies and gentlemen,

0:46.7

there have been some so-called Bible scholars who just in the past 50 or 60 years have tried to

0:51.5

make the case that homosexual practice within a monogamous relationship

0:56.9

is not condemned by the scriptures, that God is okay with it. Is that really true? Well, Dr. Robert

1:05.5

Gagnon, who went to Dartmouth, Harvard, and has his PhD from Princeton,

1:13.2

is the man that wrote the book, The Bible and Homosexual Practice,

1:16.3

the standard work on the topic.

1:18.0

He is a very well-respected scholar who crosses every T, dots every I.

1:24.0

That's why this book is over 500 pages long.

1:27.3

It goes into every possible argument that you

1:32.0

could imagine on this topic. It's done very rigorously, easy for me to say. It's done very,

1:40.2

it's done extremely well. I'm having trouble speaking today. And he's with us today.

1:44.7

I wanted him on the podcast for so long. I've just never gotten around to it. So here he is,

1:47.8

ladies and gentlemen, the great Robert Dagman, who by the way, okay, proud enough, by the way,

1:56.4

has taught at several seminaries, including one in Pittsburgh. He's also taught at Houston Christian University.

2:04.4

He is right now at another university in Mississippi. It's Wesley. What is it again, Robert?

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