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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots, the spectator's daily politics podcast.

I'm Katie Balls and I'm joined by Isabel Hardman and James Forsyfe.

We've just had Prime Minister's questions and the questions that the Prime Minister is being asked relate to borders and the India variant.

James, can you talk us through the line of attack we're seeing, yes, from Kirstama, but also in the media more generally when it comes to this. So Kirstama is essentially saying, while all these

countries on the Amber List, you're making easier for people to go to countries when the biggest

risk Kirstama says to the easier on restrictions is importing a vaccine evading variant. And then he was having some fun with

Boris Johnson at the fact that, you know, ministers can't agree a common line on what country's been

on the Amber list means. And some people, Boris Johnson said at PMQs, that means you should only

travel to those countries in extreme circumstance. For example, if a family member of yours, was ill.

Simon Hart, the Welsh secretary last night, suggested that you might really need a holiday.

And if you really needed a holiday, that might be all right.

And so there's a kind of...

I quite like that line.

I do really need a holiday.

I may have booked to go...

No. And so there's a tension there.

I think one of the problems is that certainly in terms of people booking holidays later in the summer, I think lots of people I would assume that countries that are on the Amber List now will move on to the green list in August or so. And if you add in the weather we've had in the last week or so, I think people are probably more inclined to book a couple of weeks of sunshine. So I think the real problem will come,

actually, if it turns out that these countries don't make as much pace in terms of kind of

vaccination programs or controlling the virus in those days. But I also thought that Boris Johnson,

the vulnerability is this question of whether

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