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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots, the Spectator's Daily Politics Podcast.

I'm Isabel Hardman,

and I'm joined by Katie Balls and James Forsyth. Boris Johnson has been speaking today about the risks that the Indian variant poses to the unlocking roadmap. Katie, does it look as though

the 21st of June is not going to go ahead in terms of the

lifting of restrictions? To be honest, it doesn't look either way right now. There's been various

briefings, some on Coffee House, suggesting it definitely won't happen, but I think it's just

too early to tell. And I don't think Boris Johnson's comments, which can be read in some

quarters suggesting the opposite that it will happen,

although either, he said there is nothing conclusive in the data that means England will have to deviate from the roadmap out of lockdown.

Now, nothing conclusive is different than nothing.

And I think previously when we've heard from the Prime Minister saying there's nothing, you know, in the data, we're staying on course. To me, this is a,

it suggests they could be seeing some things, but until they know a bit more. But I think much as

we want to discuss this on this podcast, the truth is ultimately, we're just not going to know

for a while. We're waiting for data to come in. I think wouldn't say minister seemed particularly panicked but it's also just a waiting game

because they want to see how these clusters develop if they start to go to other places if the

surge testing starts to have an impact if this chain of transmission can be broken up.

I think although there's been some suggestors connect two to three weeks, I think we could know a bit sooner actually where it's looking in the next week or so.

But until then, I think we're just going to be analysing every word.

I think what's clear probably he'd want to take something from the prime minister's comments

is that he does not want this idea that things definitely won't happen to take off and there is a sense that no we're not

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