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Past Due with Ana Marie Cox and Open Mike Eagle

What Do You Really Get Paid In? with Will Hines

Past Due with Ana Marie Cox and Open Mike Eagle

Ana Marie Cox and Open Mike Eagle

News, Arts, Performing Arts, Business, Society & Culture, Politics

4.66.4K Ratings

🗓️ 15 October 2025

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

Comedian and actor Will Hines joins Ana and Mike to talk about trading a salary for freedom, and why time might be the only currency that really matters. From leaving a corporate job at 33 to building an improv school from the ground up, we get into the real economics of creative work: how to manage taxes, protect your energy, and figure out what’s worth outsourcing (and what’s not). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hey Jack, I'm seeing your business everywhere. Have you got a new marketing person or something?

0:04.8

You could say I've got a new secret weapon for print. Print? Oh, Vista print, right? That's not a secret.

0:10.8

How did you know? Come on. Custom posters, branded mugs, stylish flyers. Only one place prints all that. Vista print.

0:17.7

Yeah, I got business cards, stickers, t-shirts, booklets, signage, even photo books from my last holiday.

0:23.2

Print everything for your business with VistaPrint.

0:25.9

If you need it, we print it at vistoprint.co.uk.

0:30.7

Will Hines is a comedian, writer, teacher, and founder of the world's greatest improv school.

0:38.4

But like a lot of us, he didn't start there.

0:40.7

They used to be a corporate guy.

0:41.9

I had a corporate job until I was like 33.

0:44.0

But I was like, I'm giving up 50 hours of my week.

0:47.3

For what?

0:47.9

The illusion that I have security?

0:49.4

We talked about walking away from stability, managing money,

0:52.6

and why sometimes the scariest part of

0:54.4

freelancing is figuring out what to outsource and what to keep. I won't open my mail. I won't even

1:01.0

know that I'm getting billed. I felt stupid going to an account because I had so little money.

1:06.1

We get into the practical, the philosophical and the deeply personal, from letting go of day jobs to learning how to

1:12.7

let go of winning. Improv taught me the moment that you are honest that you are underwater or

1:19.2

don't know what's going on is when it all works. The creative economy is broken, but some people

1:26.3

are still making it work.

1:29.0

We're here to find out how.

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