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What do the Tory abstentions mean for Boris?

Coffee House Shots

The Spectator

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4.42.1K Ratings

🗓️ 9 September 2021

⏱️ 15 minutes

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Summary

Boris Johnson has got his social care payment plan past the Commons, but there were a fair number of Tory abstentions, who still have a philosophical issue with this policy. Also with vaccine passports seemingly just around the corner, could this be another battleground for a Conservative rebellion? 

Katy Balls is joined by Fraser Nelson and James Forsyth to discuss. 

Transcript

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0:00.0

Coffee House Shots is sponsored by EDF, Britain's biggest generator of zero carbon electricity.

0:06.5

Find out how we are busy helping Britain achieve net zero at www.edufenergy.com. Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots and Spectators' Daily Politics Podcast. I'm Katie Bawes and I'm joined by Fraser Nelson and James Forsyfe.

0:28.6

Last night, the government put its plans for social care and clearing the NHS backlog to a vote in the House of Commons.

0:33.7

And despite much huffing and puffing in recent days over Tory objections, it

0:39.7

sailed through. James, can you talk us through how that vote unrolled? Yes, so Katie, it passed

0:44.6

fairly comfortably, even with Labour of voting against it. Only five Tory MPs opposed it. There were

0:49.8

a further 37 abstentions. Now, at first, you think, oh, five plus 37, that takes you to 42.

0:55.6

That's more than the government's majority for all the opposition parties vote against it.

0:59.1

But it does seem like only 22 of those 37 Tory abstentions were kind of principal abstentions.

1:04.5

The other 15 were people who were paired with MPs from other parties or slips in advance.

1:09.6

So I think it shows you that the Tory rebellion is certainly less than it was expected to be

1:15.0

at the weekend.

1:17.4

There's no chance of government having to back away from this now.

1:20.6

But I think what is interesting is how uneasy Tory MPs still feel this morning.

1:26.7

I mean, there are, you know, there's obviously

1:28.0

the kind of philosophical concern about, you know, slightly what's the point of a Tory government

1:31.6

if one of the big things it does is to essentially replicate Gordon Brown's 2002 move,

1:36.5

but increasing national insurance to put more money into the NHS. And then there are two

1:41.0

other worries. One is the falling between two stools' concern,

1:45.5

which is that you've lost your reputation for being the party of low taxes, you've broken your tax promise,

1:51.4

yet the NHS then doesn't get on top of the waiting list, so you're still vulnerable to a charge

1:56.2

that you can't trust the Tories at the NHS with the next election. And then I think the second worry

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