5 • 625 Ratings
🗓️ 20 December 2023
⏱️ 28 minutes
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In a drive to the airport with his son, Ray talks about the perilous crossroads he faced in defining his masculinity.
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0:00.0 | The closest major airport to me is in Charlotte, a three-hour drive from our house in the |
0:06.3 | mountains of Boone, North Carolina. Traveling for storytelling, presentations, and workshops |
0:11.9 | takes me out there the most. But my favorite drives to Charlotte are when my kids come home. |
0:17.8 | I have six kids total. My son RJ lives in New York studying music. He graces us with |
0:23.8 | his presence mostly during the holidays. I'll try to speak into the mic, but you've got to put the |
0:28.6 | mic to me. Yes. So this is a conversation between me and my oldest son, RJ Christian, as we're |
0:35.4 | heading back to Charlotte Douglas International Airport. |
0:38.3 | Yes, sir. |
0:40.3 | RJ and I have abstract conversations about how his life compares to the experiences I had in his age. |
0:51.3 | We talk a lot about what is required for him to level up in his field as a musician and in life. |
0:59.0 | All this is interlaced with my memories of him as a little boy and our ongoing Frank talks about what is like for him to grow into being a man. |
1:09.0 | What do you think masculinity is? |
1:11.6 | I have a friend who is a transgender man. |
1:16.6 | Before he transitioned, he came up to me and asked me, how do you feel masculinity? |
1:21.6 | And at that time, I didn't have an answer. |
1:23.6 | It was so weird. |
1:25.6 | Oh man, I've been a man for 21 years. Sure they have an answer. |
1:28.3 | I didn't know what to say. |
1:34.3 | My son grew up very differently than I did. In the obvious ways that most kids do, being of a very different generation than me. |
1:43.3 | But he was always an artistic kind of kid, very thoughtful and creative. |
1:49.0 | His creativity was encouraged growing up. |
1:52.0 | And RJ is having rights of passage in a more progressive space than I had in the Army 40-something years ago. |
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