What do China’s climate commitments mean for energy?
Energy Gang
Wood Mackenzie
4.6 • 1.3K Ratings
🗓️ 26 September 2025
⏱️ 51 minutes
🧾️ Download transcript
Summary
For COP30, the international climate talks in Brazil in November, the countries of the world are supposed to roll out their new Nationally Determined Contributions or NDCs: their commitments to cut emissions. China’s NDC is particularly eagerly awaited: it is the world’s largest emitter of greenhouse gases. Its NDC has been described as the most important document that will be published this year.
In this edition of the Energy Gang, recorded at New York University, host Ed Crooks and regular guest Amy Myers Jaffe (Director of NYU’s Energy, Climate Justice and Sustainability Lab) explore the security, technology and climate implications of China’s energy policy. They are joined by someone who knows a lot about China’s role in the energy transition: David Sandalow, who is the Inaugural Fellow at the Center on Global Energy Policy at Columbia University. He talks through China’s rapid clean energy rollout, from solar to EVs, and its implications for the race for dominance in AI. We also welcome back Joseph Webster of the Atlantic Council, who studies China’s energy system and the implications for geopolitics.
China’s energy surge in recent years has been staggering. The country added 217 gigawatts of solar capacity in 2023, and kept growing into 2024 and 2025. It is also leading the world in batteries and electric vehicles. Joseph explains how China’s energy investments intersect with military tech, particularly in AI and batteries, positioning China as a global leader in energy and technology innovation. Is the US struggling to keep up?
Then, late drama! While we were recording, China finally released its new NDC, pledging a relatively modest 7-10% emissions reduction from peak levels. Some other countries and climate campaigners had hoped for more ambition. But the numbers involved are still staggering. The NDC sets a target of expanding wind and solar capacity to 3,600 GW by 2035, six times 2020 levels, and three times the entire generation capacity of the US, in all technologies. Ed, Amy, David and Joseph react to the news in real time and debate what it means for energy in the US and beyond.
See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Transcript
Click on a timestamp to play from that location
| 0:00.0 | It is kind of like admitting that, well, if the United States isn't there leading, I'm not under pressure. |
| 0:06.8 | I'm just going to go with my simplest, most straightforward NDC and not overcommit myself, not stretch, |
| 0:13.4 | not try to inspire others to come along the journey with me. |
| 0:17.0 | In 2023, there were about 217 gigawatts of solar, new solar deployed in China. |
| 0:23.4 | Okay, by way of reference, that is more solar than had ever been deployed in the history of the United States at the time. |
| 0:29.6 | That's in 2023. |
| 0:31.0 | In 2024, Chinese deployed 277 or so gigawatts of solar. |
| 0:36.6 | And then this year, so far, 212 gigawatts of solar. There's now a little |
| 0:41.9 | bit more than that in the United States. So the incremental additions in each of the past three years |
| 0:45.5 | are more than exists in the United States. Let me say you know how to add drama to a podcast. |
| 0:50.0 | That's very impressive. Got power? At Hytheium, we make sure the answer is always yes. |
| 0:56.1 | Recognise seven times as a BNF Tier 1 best provider |
| 0:58.7 | and ranked top two globally for battery shipments for 2025. |
| 1:02.8 | Hythium delivers safe, reliable and profitable energy solutions |
| 1:05.7 | that keep the clean energy transition powering forward. |
| 1:08.8 | Let green energy benefit all. |
| 1:10.6 | Trusted worldwide, built |
| 1:12.0 | to last. Discover more at www.hypheum.com. Let's talk energy that works for good. |
| 1:23.7 | Hello and welcome to The Energy Gang, a discussion show about the fast-moving world of energy from Wood McKenzie. |
| 1:30.1 | I'm Ed Crooks, and welcome to a special edition of the Energy Gang, which we're recording live in front of a class at NYU that's given by the Energy Gang's owner Amy Myers-Jaffee. |
| 1:40.8 | Hi, Amy, welcome to the show, and thanks very much for hosting us here today. |
| 1:44.5 | Welcome to Clean Technologies, Opportun very much for hosting us here today. Welcome to clean technologies, opportunities, trends and innovations. We have some great |
... |
Please login to see the full transcript.
Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Wood Mackenzie, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.
Generated transcripts are the property of Wood Mackenzie and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.
Copyright © Tapesearch 2026.

