What Did Todd Gabler Learn About Kouri Richins Case That Nobody Else Knows?
Hidden Killers With Tony Brueski | True Crime News & Commentary
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🗓️ 28 May 2026
⏱️ 22 minutes
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Summary
Todd Gabler never met Eric Richins. But he might know him better than almost anyone outside the family. Over the course of a year-long investigation, Gabler went through Eric's phone records, walked through his home, interviewed dozens of people who knew him, and pieced together the reality of a marriage and a life that ended in a way nobody should have to die.
That kind of immersion changes an investigator. Especially one who's spent 34 years on the defense side — the side that challenges, pokes holes, fights for the accused. For the first time in his career, Gabler's evidence became the prosecution's case. And when the jury convicted Kouri Richins on all counts in under three hours, he was sitting in a seat he'd never occupied before.
In Part 3, Gabler tells Tony what Eric Richins became to him through the investigation, what it was like to testify six weeks after surgery because he refused to miss his day in court, and whether 34 years of doing this work prepared him for what this particular case did to him as a person.
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| 0:00.0 | This is Hidden Killers with Tony Bruske. |
| 0:03.2 | Here now, Tony Bruske. |
| 0:06.2 | Todd Gabbler showed up to testify six weeks after neck fusion surgery. |
| 0:11.0 | You walked in with the cane, you had the big neck brace on, |
| 0:14.3 | told the judge that you even skipped your pain medication, |
| 0:17.6 | so your mind would be clear. |
| 0:19.9 | We all saw that and were like, Bravo. This man is here |
| 0:23.6 | with a mission and he has a purpose to be here. Joining the conversation to discuss all this Robin |
| 0:30.2 | Drake, retired FBI, Special Agency for the Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program. And of course, |
| 0:35.7 | our guest, Todd Gabbler, is with us. Todd, |
| 0:38.9 | just in your own words, obviously you made it happen to be there. As concise as you can be about it, |
| 0:46.3 | why was it so important for you to be there that day and have your voice heard and have your |
| 0:52.6 | findings be heard in front of that, Sherry. |
| 0:55.9 | Well, you know, a spinal cord injury, the spinal cord injury that I had was severe. |
| 1:03.4 | It needed to be corrected and for me being able to walk and feel things in my hands and feet. |
| 1:12.2 | The recovery from that surgery is 52 weeks. |
| 1:17.5 | So, year. |
| 1:18.7 | Yeah. |
| 1:18.9 | And traveling in an airplane was excruciating. |
| 1:24.6 | Yeah. |
| 1:24.9 | But this is not the kind of case that I was willing to phone in or Zoom |
| 1:33.3 | from. This, the seriousness of this case, the over 900 hours of investigation that I had in this case, |
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