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Hidden Killers With Tony Brueski | True Crime News & Commentary

What Connects the Nancy Guthrie, Anna Kepner, and D4VD Cases?

Hidden Killers With Tony Brueski | True Crime News & Commentary

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🗓️ 28 May 2026

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

On the surface, these three cases share nothing. Nancy Guthrie’s disappearance from her Tucson home is an unsolved kidnapping with DNA at the FBI lab and more than fifty thousand tips under review. The Anna Kepner case is a federal murder prosecution stemming from a death on a Carnival cruise ship, with the accused — her sixteen-year-old stepbrother Timothy Hudson — pleading not guilty and a family tearing itself apart in custody filings. The D4VD case is a death-eligible murder charge in Los Angeles County, with prosecutors alleging the musician killed fourteen-year-old Celeste Rivas Hernandez to protect his career. Burke has pleaded not guilty. But psychotherapist Shavaun Scott, with more than thirty years in forensic mental health, finds the same failure underneath all three. In the Guthrie case, she traces what months of post-crime silence and the looming threat of genetic genealogy do to a perpetrator’s mind. In the Kepner case, she dissects a family structure where a biological mother allegedly chose self-preservation over her own child, leaving every minor in the household exposed. In the D4VD case, she follows a developmental trajectory from religious restriction through unrestricted digital immersion to an industry that allegedly handed a teenager fame and wealth with no one positioned to provide accountability. The connecting thread is systems — families, communities, institutions, industries — that were supposed to catch what was wrong before it became irreversible. Scott examines why they allegedly didn’t and what that means for how we understand each of these cases.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

This is Hidden Tiller's Live with Tony Brewski and Robin Drink.

0:10.0

Hard to believe it. It's been more than 16 weeks since Nancy Guthrie was taken from her home.

0:16.4

More than 100 days now. I mean, we're almost damn near half a year in.

0:21.0

No arrest, no name

0:22.7

suspect, and somewhere

0:24.3

the person responsible

0:26.4

has

0:28.6

maybe, can I say maybe,

0:30.5

maybe been living, maybe not,

0:33.2

what probably looks

0:34.7

like a normal life. The evidence

0:36.4

points to a burglary gone catastrophically wrong.

0:40.8

Someone who walked in for something and left with an outcome that they could never undo.

0:46.8

That was one night.

0:48.5

But every day since has really required its own set of choices.

0:52.6

What to do with the evidence? Who to avoid, whether to run, whether to talk.

0:58.2

That's assuming the person is still alive.

1:01.0

And that's the operative point that we're going to be going from today because it's not so beneficial to talk about what a corpse would be doing if, in fact, that person is gone.

1:11.0

Joining us to discuss, as always, Robin Drake, retired FBI, special agency for the

1:15.7

Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program.

1:18.5

And it is Wednesday, so psychotherapist, Chavon Scott, and author is also with us to help

1:27.0

us break down where this is all going.

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