Hi, folks. I have the pleasure of being joined by Ben Habib by via Zoom when he's on holiday

to discuss what's happening with Nigel Farage, Rupert Lowe and the Reform Party,

and the future of the right wing in Britain more broadly, because actually a lot is up in the

air at the moment and it's revealing a lot of cockroaches that are currently scurrying for cover.

And actually, I would rather address them and deal with the issues so we can have something

a little more wholesome moving forward.

Because one of the things that we have recently seen revealed is that, well, the

allegations against Rupert Lowe actually seem not to be against Rupert Lowe.

And so, reform kicking him out and saying he'll never be welcomed back, because he was mildly

and constructively critical of reform and the position that they're in, seems to be part of a

pattern of behavior, a longstanding pattern of behavior that Nigel Farage

has demonstrated, where he mercilessly crushes anyone who he feels may be a popular threat

to him and his way of doing things, which I think is actually not a very wholesome and healthy

way of approaching any kind of political activity. I would personally much rather a cooperative and

collaborative way of doing politics. And I think that Ben probably agrees with me on that. How are you,

Ben? I'm very well. Thank you, Carl. And good to see you. And I agree with you 100%.

I mean, it doesn't really seem to bear any, to bear thinking about it.

Why wouldn't we want a large collection of talented, confident, happy people

dealing with one another openly and honestly, rather than, you know what's weird?

Like someone earlier today said that this seems to be like this the plot of

Dune playing out as if Nigel Farage represents sort of House Harkonen and the tradees on

the other side saying well can't we just be good? Can't we be decent? What's your impression

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