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Hey, it's Meghna, and I'm asking for just a minute of your time before we get to today's episode, because I've got one more example of what we mean at on point when we say never quit.

It's not just pushing to get answers over the course of one single episode.

It's sticking with issues over the long term until we get some kind of clarity on questions that matter.

And sometimes that means sticking with stories for years.

The science nerd in me likes to call it

longitudinal journalism.

Here's an example. Back in 2021, April 30th, 2021 to be exact, I interviewed Dr. Anthony Fauchy, who was then still

advising the White House on COVID.

At the time, Americans really wanted to know if we'd ever reach so-called herd immunity

so that the pandemic could be considered basically under control.

So I asked Dr. Fauchy that several times and didn't quite get a precise answer out of him.

So here's a moment from that show.

I know you've been through the ringer over the past. So here's a moment from that show.

I know you've been through the ringer over the past year,

but I hear you very strenuously trying to not

answer a question here.

So let me rephrase it.

Let me rephrase it. you're advising the Biden administration

yeah and certainly the Biden administration I know they're thinking about these

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