So here we are. It's right around Father's Day, and I've been having so many conversations with so many men about fatherhood, about what they feel it's like to be a dad right now, the kind of dad they want to be, the kind of dad they never had modeled, their concerns for their sons, masculinity, the whole thing. And you know, I thought I have the perfect person to

bring on this pod to talk about these themes. Today I'm talking to Richard Reeves. Richard Reeves is a

scholar. He's a writer. He's the author of of Boys and Men. He's a 2023. Ted talk speaker

about this topic. And one of the things he's always said when I've heard him speak is none of his research about boys is in any way meant to insinuate that girls, that women don't have their own set of struggles or kind of topics to explore.

We know at Good Inside, two things can be true.

And we've noticed there have been real shifts around boys in education. There are real

struggles they're having around kind of developmental tasks and there's just differences

in expectations around what a boy looks

like at age five and what a girl does not in broad strokes but there are some patterns and that's

exactly what we'll be talking about today boys fatherhood masculinity and this is a conversation

I just know is going to make you think different things.

And so my ask for you right from the start is listen, reflect, see what resonates,

and then share this with a dad to start a new type of conversation.

I'm Dr. Becky, and this is good inside.

We'll be back right after this.

Thank you. Dr. Becky, and this is good inside. We'll be back right after this. I just really can't stop thinking about fatherhood and masculinity.

And then I was talking to my team. And of course, I thought, well,

I don't even want to have any of these thoughts without bouncing some of them off Richard and hearing all of your thoughts. So even education early on, I know you've said that in younger

years, right, boys tend to lag girls in early language and self-regulation, right? And that school in a way isn't really set up for even young boys.

So can we start with those younger years?

What do you see there?

Yeah, you're right.

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