Welcome back to the Speakeasy podcast.

I want to start this episode off with, I know, okay?

I know that it feels like at every turn you are being told there's something else that you have to take out of your diet.

There's something else that is slowly killing you or your kids.

And I know, I really, like, please remember that I am a mom right alongside you.

It feels never ending and it feels daunting and it feels impossible and expensive and difficult.

But this is something that I'm kind of like closet passionate about and I'm learning to be more

forthright. A lot of the time I struggle with talking about this kind of stuff because passionate about and I'm learning to be more forthright.

A lot of the time I struggle with talking about this kind of stuff because I feel like I don't know enough to be an expert.

But then I know that I love learning from people that aren't experts.

But I also love learning from people who are.

And my guest for today, Stephen, is the founder of Ancient Crunch, which makes Masa chips as well as Vandy Chips, which are a staple in our home.

Discovered them last summer when I went down the seed oil rabbit hole and found that unfortunately, seed oils are as bad as they're telling you they are.

And by they, I mean the individuals on the ground that are doing

the research, certainly not like the governments or the, you know, corporations that are benefiting

from 25 to 30 percent of our diets being seed oils. Anyway, I digress. Stephen is a wealth of knowledge.

He has a really fascinating background, both in his home wife as well as his health, that led him to a place where kind of had to figure it out himself.

And that's exactly what he's done.

And over the last four years, he's turned it into a very successful business.

But beyond that, he just knows what he's talking about.

And he gets a little bit scientific in this episode. We talked

about molecules for a little while at one point. But I think it's helpful to understand on a

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