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What are ‘forever chemicals’ and why are they causing alarm?

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The Guardian

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4.21K Ratings

🗓️ 28 February 2023

⏱️ 15 minutes

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Summary

Madeleine Finlay speaks to environmental journalist Rachel Salvidge about PFAS, also known as ‘forever chemicals’, which have been found at high levels at thousands of sites across the UK and Europe. Rachel explains what they are, how harmful they can be, and what can be done to mitigate their effects. Help support our independent journalism at theguardian.com/sciencepod

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0:00.0

This is the Guardian. They are found in the blood of people in Oatman, Arizona, and they are found in the blood of people in Fargo, Dakota.

0:17.0

They are found in me. They are found in my kids. They are found in every one of you.

0:26.6

That's actor and environmental campaigner Mark Ruffalo

0:30.4

talking to US politicians about P-FAS, aka Forever Chemicals, so-called because once an environment

0:38.8

is contaminated with them, they stick around for a long, long time, building up and up.

0:46.7

They've been found pretty much everywhere, in the environment, in animals, and even in

0:52.2

our blood.

0:53.0

But a new investigation has revealed the scale of the pollution in the UK and Europe

1:00.0

and discovered high levels of forever chemicals at thousands of sites.

1:07.0

So what are P-FAS? How toxic are they?

1:11.0

And what can we do to protect ourselves to reduce their impact or just to

1:16.5

avoid them completely. From the Guardian I'm Madeline Finley and this is Science Weekly.

1:27.0

Rachel Salvage you're an environmental journalist and founder of Watershed, an investigative organization focusing on water issues, and you've just published an investigation in the Guardian about P-FAS, so-called Forever

1:46.8

Chemicals.

1:48.0

So to start us off, what exactly are P-FAS?

1:51.7

P-FAS, it stands for per and polyfluoral al-cal substances, so I'm quite pleased that we have a

1:58.2

shorthand for it. But it's an umbrella term for a family of thousands of chemicals, so around 10,000, or I've actually seen a study saying that there might be around 12,000 on the market at the moment.

2:10.0

And their prize for their indestructible non-stick properties.

2:13.0

So if something is grease-proof or waterproof,

2:16.2

it's likely that there is a P-FAS doing that job in that product.

2:19.8

It was originally the Teflon chemical,

2:22.0

that's how you had your non-stick pan but you can get it

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