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When genocide has been carried out in this country almost with impunity and when it is near to come back in this country almost with impunity and when it is near to

come briefly to talk about intervention. You don't get freedom peaceful.

Freedom is never safeguarded people.

Anyone who is surprising you of freedom isn't deserving of a people approach. Hello and I'm Matthew Galt. It's only human to play games. Some might argue it's in the DNA.

Games are part of how we learn and can be the best way to teach or solve a problem.

But some games are more serious than others.

A game recently played at a Washington think tank is about as serious as it gets.

It looked like it looked like. is about as serious as it gets.

It looked at what might happen

if China attacked Taiwan.

And the results weren't pretty for anyone.

Joining us today to discuss what they found in playing the game is Mark Kansian.

He is a retired Marine Corps Colonel and a senior advisor for the Center for Strategic and International Studies,

International Security Program, which is a mouthful but worth saying.

Thank you so much for joining us.

Thanks for having me on the show.

Can you explain what a war game like this actually is?

I mean, I think people are familiar with the game, Risk, know it's a board game but I'm assuming this is somewhat different

Well it it is but of course it's the same theory

For this project we developed a war game this war game has an operational map for the Western Pacific where we played

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