Western Psychology, Eastern Spirituality with Jeffrey Rubin (#390)

Religion on the Mind

Religion, Spirituality, Religion & Spirituality

4.7 • 542 Ratings

🗓️ 30 March 2026

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

I sit down with clinical psychologist and author Dr. Jeffrey Rubin to explore his concept of meditative psychotherapy — a genuinely reciprocal integration of Western psychoanalysis and Eastern contemplative practice that goes far deeper than the usual mindfulness-lite approaches. We get into what meditation actually is (hint: not just stress relief), spiritual bypassing, the scandals that keep plaguing Buddhist communities, and why real healing requires both quieting the mind and doing hard psychological work. Highlights: Meditation isn't just symptom reduction East-West integration done poorly vs. well Spiritual bypassing across traditions AI, dreams, and idiographic meaning Three stages of meditative psychotherapy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Now, are all the traitors present?
0:02.5	Let's get started, shall we?
0:04.5	From rags to riches.
0:05.8	I'm so sick of this.
0:07.0	Working like a dog and being treated worse.
0:09.1	Yorkshire to New York.
0:10.7	Poor climbers, you and me.
0:12.4	A life dedicated to revenge.
0:14.3	Let's make this an occasion to remember.
0:16.5	A woman of substance on Channel 4.
0:19.2	Stream now.
0:35.7	Welcome back, everybody, to Religion on the Mind, the podcast that is still lacking a standardized introduction, but it's about psychology and religion and spirituality.
0:40.3	And I'm your host, Dr. Dan Koch, licensed therapist. Today I am joined by Dr. Jeffrey B.
0:47.2	Rubin. Jeffrey, you are a clinical psychologist and researcher, probably best known for developing
0:54.1	what you call
0:54.8	meditative psychotherapy, which is kind of the primary focus of our conversation today
1:00.5	because it sits at the intersection of a ton of stuff that I'm really into and like to cover
1:06.3	on the show, including mindfulness, East Meeting West,
1:11.5	spiritual bypassing, which has its own sort of uniquely Protestant flavor,
1:16.5	existential psychology, which is becoming more and more central to my client treatment.
1:22.9	And so really, there's just a lot here to talk about.
1:25.8	I'm very excited to be chatting today.
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