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Hey, it's Rachel. This week, we're listening back to one of my favorite wildcard conversations with Weird Al Yankvik. But before we get to that, I've got a favor to ask. A lot of you have told me that Wild Card is an interactive experience for you. When you hear me ask a question to a guest, you work through the question and come up with your own answers in your head. Well, now I want you

to answer them out loud. To be specific, I want you to record an answer to one of our cards

and send it in as a voicemail to our team. Here's the card. When has Envy been a problem for you?

Record a voice memo with your answer and email it to wildcard at npr.org.

Include your name and where you're from at the top, and we might use it in an upcoming episode.

All right, back to today's episode.

Weird Al, to me, anyway, is just like the human embodiment of joy.

And the memory that he shared with me about watching his daughter grow up

is something that I still think about.

It's just a wonderful, wonderful answer.

You're going to like this conversation.

Take a listen.

Was there a moment when the career you wanted felt in reach?

So I was still working literally for minimum wage in a mail room, and my first album had come out.

And sticking out of the top of the mailbag was the latest issue of Billboard magazine.

So I opened it up to the Hot 100 chart, and there I am on the charts.

So then I thought, you know, I should probably give notice at work and maybe get serious about this weird helping.

I'm Rachel Martin, and this is Wildcard, the game where cards control the conversation.

Each week, my guest answers questions about their life. Questions pulled from a deck of cards.

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